The other thing that I would say about Progressives is that, even if you don't necessarily know the game from a probability and ER standpoint, you could still accidentally stumble on a +ER situation, which is impossible with a flat-top machine not deliberately programmed at 100%+. You'll see that the minimum possible payout percentage is 88.05%, and I also have it straight from the horse's mouth (Bally Technologies Inc.) that this 88.05% minimum possible return does not include the amount that goes into the Progressives. In any case, if you look at a machine such as the QuickHits Platinum Black & White Sevens: AxelWolf and Micke圜rimm, both professional AP'ers who work slots into their repertoire, to name two.

Thanks for the compliment, I'm flattered that you'd look forward to my response, but there are much more knowledgeable people than me, here. any thoughts? Hope Mission has time to respond. So should some one with a smallish bankroll avoid these machines also? I have read a lot of the threads about finding a +ER machine and don't think I will just stumble on one ,as I don't make many trips to Nevada. So couldn't you say the same about slots with a progressive payout? Those pay outs have to come from the players also. I have seen the Wizard state and also have read on these boards to stay away from the fancy games with big signs like sex in the city ,WOF and the likes because the casino has to pay for the rights to use the names and of course passes the expense along to the player. I am fairly new to slots but between playing table games and when VP gets a bit boring I do enjoy playing a bit of slots.

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